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To answer the question, "Why do we need guns?" is a long answer,
but a COMPLETE ONE, and one I've taken the time to assemble for you,
so please read it all.

I give you:


THE DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE:


In Congress, July 4, 1776,
THE UNANIMOUS DECLARATION OF THE THIRTEEN UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

.
.
.

That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these
ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it,
and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such
principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them
shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established
should not be changed for light and transient causes; and
accordingly all experience hath shown, that mankind are more
disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right
themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.
But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing
invariably the same Object, evinces a design to reduce them under
absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw
off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future
security.


Do others understand this? Yes...

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and
 causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have
 been enthroned, an era of corruption in high places will follow, and
 the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by
 working upon the prejudices of the people, until the wealth is
 aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed...a great
 industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system
 of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and
 all our activities are in the hands of a few men...we have come to be
 one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and
 dominated governments in the civilized world - no longer a government
 by free opinion, no longer a government by conviction and the vote of
 the majority, but a government by the opinion and duress of small
 groups of dominent men." .

           Abraham Lincoln, shortly before he was assassinated

and...

"... By calling attention to a well-regulated militia for the
 security of the Nation, and the right of each citizen to keep and
 bear arms, our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian
 nature of our economy. Although it is extremely unlikely that the
 fear of governmental tyranny, which gave rise to the 2nd amendment,
 will ever be a major danger to our Nation, the amendment still
 remains an important declaration of our basic military-civilian
 relationship, in which every citizen must be ready to participate in
 the defense of his country. For that reason I believe the 2nd
 Amendment will always be important."

                      (Ref: AR 12-73 p.14) . John F. Kennedy




Thus:

THE BILL OF RIGHTS - Amendment II - A well regulated
militia being necessary to the security of a free state,
the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be
infringed.

But is that what the 2nd Amendment is REALLY about?

"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there
 is then no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of
 self-defense..."

                    Alexander Hamilton, The Federalist Papers, No. 28

(keep this in mind please...)


"And what country can preserve it's liberties, if it's rulers are not
 warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
 resistance? Let them take arms ... The tree of liberty must be
 refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tryants."

                                                   Thomas Jefferson

"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty.
 Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel.
 Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force.
 Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined." .

                                                Patrick Henry


"Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself.
 They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under
 independence...From the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day,
 events, occurrences, and tendencies prove that to ensure peace,
 security, and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally
 indispensable...The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere re-
 strains evil interference--they deserve a place of honor with all
 that's good."

                                             George Washington

"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers
 are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the right
 of resistance? Let them take arms...The tree of liberty must be
 refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
 It is its natural manure."

                                             Thomas Jefferson

But do we have anything to worry about like this today? YES!


  "We are grateful to the Washington Post, The New York Times, Time
   Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended
   our meetings and respected their promises of descretion for almost
   forty years."
  .
  "It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the
   world if we had been subjected to the lights of publicity during
   those years. But, the world is now more sophisticated and prepared
   to march towards a world government. The supranational sovereignty
   of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to
   the national autodeter- mination practiced in past centuries."

                                     David Rockefeller
                                     at a Bilderbergers meeting,
                                     June 1991 in Baden Baden,
                                     Germany.


Wow! Is this really a threat? YES!

- - From The Emergency Powers Act, A
special report by Dr. Eugene Shroder:

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We are living in a DICTATORSHIP -- the Constitution was suspended
over 60 years ago. If you don't believe it, read this report.
This report is not based on opinion, but the fact of written law.
The Report itself starts at about line # 370 of this file.

    "...without the knowledge contained in this report, how long to
    you think the blindness of the American people to this situation
    would have continued, and with it, the abolishment of the
    Constitution?"


                               WAR AND
                           EMERGENCY POWERS


                           A SPECIAL REPORT
                      ON THE NATIONAL EMERGENCY
                   IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

The cause and effect of the doctrine of emergency is the subject of
this report.

In 1973, in Senate Report 93-549 (Exhibit 10), the first sentence
reads:

    "Since March the 9th, 1933, the United States has been in a
    state of declared national emergency."

Let's go back to Exhibit 9 just before this. What did it say? It says
that if a national emergency is declared, there is no Constitution.
Now, let us return to Exhibit 10. Since March the 9th of 1933, the
United States has been, in fact, in a state of declared national
emergency.


Referring to the middle of this Exhibit [10]:

    "This vast range of powers, taken together, confer enough
    authority to rule the country without reference to normal
    constitutional processes. Under the powers delegated by these
    statutes, the President may: seize property; organize and control
    the means of production; seize commodities; assign military forces
    abroad; institute martial law; seize and control all
    transportation and communication; regulate the operation of
    private enterprise; restrict travel; and, in a plethora of
    particular ways, control the lives of all American citizens."

and this situation has continued uninterrupted since March the 9th of
1933.

....

Now, this is well known. This is not a concept that was not known to
rulers for many, many years. The concepts of constitutional
dictatorship went clear back to the Roman Republic. And there, it was
determined that, in times of dire emergencies, yes, the constitution
and the rights of the people could be suspended, temporarily, until
the crisis, whatever its nature, could be resolved.

But once it was done, the Constitution was to be returned to its
peacetime position of authority. In France, the situation under which
the Constitution could be suspended is
called the State of Siege. In Great Britain, it's called the Defense
of the Realm Acts. In Germany, in which Hitler became dictator, it was
simply called Article 48. In the United States, it's called the War
Powers.

If that was, in fact, the case, and we are under a war emergency in
this country, then there should be evidence of that war emergency in
the current law that exists today. That means that we should be able
to go to the federal code known as the USC or the United Stated Code,
and find that statute, that law, in existence. And if we went to the
library today and picked up a copy of 12 USC and went to section 95
(b) (Exhibit 15), we will find a law which states:

    "The actions, regulations, rules, licenses, orders and
    proclamations heretofore or hereafter taken, promulgated, made,
    or issued by the President of the United States or the Secretary
    of the Treasury since March the 4th, 1933, pursuant to the
    authority conferred by Subsection (b) of Section 5 of the Act of
    October 6th, 1917, as amended [12 USCS Sec. 95a], are hereby
    approved and confirmed. (Mar, 9, 1933, c.1, Title I, Sec. 1, 48
    Stat 1.)"

[Congress just made the President a dictator.
 The word "hereafter" is pivotal.  --hm ]

Now, what does this mean? It means that everything that the President
or the Secretary of the Treasury has done since March the 4th of 1933,
or anything that the President or the Secretary of the Treasury is
hereafter going to do, is automatically approved and confirmed.


Powers Act. Let's see if he got it.

On March the 5th, President Roosevelt asked for a special and
extraordinary session of Congress in Proclamation 2038. He called for
the special session of Congress to meet on March the 9th at noon. And
at that Congress, he presented a bill, an Act, to provide for relief
in the existing national emergency in banking and other purposes.

...

In the Act of March 9, 1933 (Exhibit 17), it further states in
Title 1, Section 1:

    "The actions, regulations, rules, licenses, orders and
    proclamations heretofore or hereafter taken, promulgated, made,
    or issued by the President of the United States or the Secretary
    of the Treasury since March the 4th, 1933, pursuant to the
    authority conferred by Subsection (b) of Section 5 of the Act of
    October 6th, 1917, as amended, are hereby approved and confirmed."

Where have we read those words before?

This is the exact same wording as is found (Exhibit 15) today in Title
12, USC 95 (b). The language in Title 12, USC 95 (b) is exactly the
same as that found in the act of March 9, 1933, Chapter 1, Title 1,
Section 48, Statute 1. The Act of March 9, 1933, is still in full
force and effect today. We are still under the Rule of Necessity. We
are still in a declared state of national emergency, a state of
emergency which has existed, uninterrupted, since 1933, /I/ for over
sixty years. /i/


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    {This was confirmed on KFYI, 910 AM Phoenix, the Bob Mohan
     Show on 12/8/94, when the author of the above book which I am
     quoting from was on the show and Senator John McCain called in
     and confirmed this. In fact, his words were, "I've been
     listening, and he's very well informed." When he was asked by
     show host whether we are operating under an emergency edict since
     1933, Senator McCain said, "I think he's correct..." and then
     used some examples to demonstate it. A copy of this show can be
     obtained from me. Just send me a blank tape and SASE and I"ll
     copy it and get it off to you. It's not the best of copies, but
     it's good enough to hear. Senator McCain also said that Congress
     COULD put an effective STOP to this, but does NOT, and he could
     not say way they do not!}



If you would like, you can FREQ WEP.ZIP from my bbs or call and d/l it
for the complete text. You can also buy the book from me, Constitution
Fact or Fiction by Dr. Eugene Schroder for $15. Just send netmail or
call my bbs. If you cannot afford it, or don't want to "risk" sending
money to someone you don't know, you can go to your library and ask
them to order it for you. The ISBN is 1-885534-06-X, just give the
library that number and ask them to order it. Everything I've said
above is documented in the book and I can provide you w/complete
copies of all documents. There are over 150 pages of documents, so
that'll cost you a little. :)


So I have shown you WHY we need it (to protect us from a tyrannical
and abusive government), that is was INTENDED for this purpose, and
that we ARE UNDER such a tyrannical government.

eric


   Without Prejudice, all rights reserved, 1995
   Eric Gray - The Desert Reef BBS - c/o 3705 N. Runway, 
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